Lori: Hello everybody. And thank you for joining us for episode 20 of Work Mom Says don't be an idiot. You know, I'm here to help you navigate the emotional contact sport in the world of business. And my name is Lori Jo vest. And today I have a couple of amazing guests. First, we have Angela Angela pronounce your last name for me. I got it wrong. Angela: Buccellato, just think like gelato, Buccellato, you know, close enough, Lori: right? Gelato Angela Buccellato and Molly Wagner say hi. So Molly and Angela and I are going to talk about the [00:01:00] joys of LinkedIn. I love LinkedIn. Well, I love social media anyway because that's what I do in my day job is social media. Um, however LinkedIn is its own animal and I really enjoy the businessy aspect of it. The upside of using LinkedIn today versus 10 years ago is that authenticity rules like it didn't in the past, which is kind of awesome. I'm going to let you guys introduce yourselves. So tell us a little bit about yourselves, starting with you. Angela. Tell us about what you do and what your experience is with LinkedIn. Angela: Sure. So I'll try to give the, uh, shortened, condensed version of the long story. But essentially my quick background, I had worked in recruiting. I never really used LinkedIn when I recruited, you know, here and there, but I didn't really post or understand the business side of it. And then 2019 to be specific, I actually got fired from my job. I had my company, the resume rescue, on the side, and [00:02:00] I had said, you know, people keep talking about this whole LinkedIn thing. Let's see if there's any value in it. And that's where I really went hard with it with posting, figuring out what's this algorithm, how does it all come into play? And, you know, fast forward a few years later to now I've actually met friends off LinkedIn. I've it's. Isn't it the best. It's awesome. I know people are like people that get it, get it. And people outside of it are like, you meet complete strangers. I'm like, yeah. Some Lori: of my best friends. Gotcha. Have you ever been at an event and then you hear somebody's name, they introduce somebody that you only know on LinkedIn and you go, ah, and you get all excited you over to at the end and introduce yourself. It's constant. It's well, I mean, it didn't happen for a couple years, but it will happen again in the future. Right. Angela: So, oh, absolutely. So that's the big thing there. And then of the prob I think we worked with about 850 clients last year, a good 650 of those came from LinkedIn. So that's amazing. It's one of our best referral sources and it's just opened up opportunities [00:03:00] that I would not have had outside of it. And I wish they would pay me to say how much I hype them up every single day, but they don't, but it's, they should, it's such a fun platform. They really Lori:. Thank you. They should. Let's let's. Elevate that. So Molly, tell us a little bit, little bit about Molly: Yeah. So I am a writer, producer for this podcast and kind of all around project manager for Lori's digital marketing firm, PopSpeed Digital Marketing. I've been working with her for a few months now and absolutely loving it. Lori: And I do pull the young people from my staff. I'm always open to young people as guests. Honestly, if you are a person listening and you'd like to share your perspective on the topics we're talking about, go to our website, work, mom says.com and tell me about yourself because I wanna have young guests. I'm just really fortunate right now to have a team, um, with two 20-somethings, Kiley and Molly that I can pull in so that we get a perspective. And this episode will be really interesting because Molly being just a recent college graduate had some perspectives to share with us that I thought were really interesting. Everybody hears that, oh, there's so many jobs and they can't find people. So you'd think as a recent college graduate, it would be all like rainbows and sunshine. Right. Molly. Molly: Yeah, absolutely. And it certainly was not. And so what's interesting to me is, you know, as a recent college graduate, who's been told that, okay, we've given you the skills now, get out there and get a job. What did you find when you were looking? When did you start and, and what did you find? Molly: So I started looking about a month after graduation. I gave myself time to recoup after graduating. So this was June 2021 and I started pretty much scouring every job site I could find. Um, and I was using LinkedIn pretty consistently as well, but I just had no real experience with it going in. So I didn't really know what I was doing. And I had absolutely no luck with my job search until I connected with Lori in October on LinkedIn. So I did find my job on LinkedIn, which was a miracle, honestly. Lori: Well, and it's really interesting because I found the person that connected us on LinkedIn mm-hmm . And what had happened was I started a small agency in 2018 and I looked, was looking for mentors and a gentleman, John Reed, he's been on the show a couple times. He showed up as a, you know, a mentor kind of person. He was doing really great things and I'm like, Hey, I gotta know this guy. [00:06:00] So I reached out to him and we started talking. Since then we've had dinner. There's another woman that's a part of our little pack, Laura Khalil. And we just connected but only because of LinkedIn. If it wasn't there, I wouldn't know He existed. And we connected. He kind of has been mentoring me because his agency is 10 years past us or something like that. So he gives me advice and. and, uh, you know, cheers us on. And he met Molly and said, Hey, Lori, do you need somebody? Um, here's this young woman and sent Molly my way on LinkedIn. And then before you know it, now here, we have it a year later. She's full-time with us as a contract copywriter and producer, and she does all kinds of great stuff. So I think it's really interesting. In researching this episode and talking to people about LinkedIn, the difficult spot that a lot of people find them in themselves in as recent graduates is that yeah, you can get on the LinkedIn platform, but you don't know anybody.[00:07:00] Angela: Well, and the only thing is you're told and Molly, I don't know if this was the case for you, but you're told in college, like almost forced to make a LinkedIn as part of one of your classes. And then you're never told how to use it. It's just like, oh, do it. And best of luck to you, but that's what most of the recent grads we work with are saying the same thing or just don't understand what career opportunities are out there. I didn't know if resume writing existed. I didn't know, you know, work for small firms and Laura, you can relate to this like us small business owners. It's just hard to say, Hey, you're literally gonna be doing everything, but you're gonna get so much exposure and understanding and just be incredible. You know, ideally Molly, we want you to stay long term and same with my employees, but that's what it's, it's just hard to like, put that out there. And I think LinkedIn bridges that gap, cuz you can see other opportunities or you can see from like I post all the time. So like, you know exactly what you're getting into when you work for me. So, Lori: oh yeah, same here. And I am my true a hundred percent [00:08:00] authentic, liberal, progressive, uh, work mom self on LinkedIn. So you kind of know who you're going to be working for, but I think it's interesting too, that you bring up not knowing how to use. How do you use the platform and Angela, I'm gonna throw this one to you as a recent graduate, like Molly on LinkedIn. I'm gonna bring this up because I think it's awesome. Molly's mom works for John Reed and that's why she connected to John who connected to me who hired Molly. So use every contact you have, even your mom. Um, however, how can a recent graduate build a network in their industry when they don't know anybody. What do you think, Angela? What would you say? Angela: I always preach this concept big in my business is shooting your shot. So if you find someone that's interesting or you see someone, whether it's on TikTok or whether it's on other platforms and you see them then on LinkedIn in a [00:09:00] professional sense, or if you follow companies that you really enjoy or really progressive or whatever that is for you. You can find the recruiter. You can find a hiring manager, you can find any outlet to someone that way. And that's what I always say is like, just send a message. It doesn't hurt to. Is everyone gonna answer? No, but you're gonna get like with anything else in life, the more exposure you have and the more you utilize something or use it the better you're gonna get. Malcolm Gladwell's my absolute favorite author. And he preaches this concept and his book outliers of you put 10,000 hours into something and you're an expert at it. So it's the same thing. Whether you're playing basketball or whether you're using linkedin. That's something that can be an asset for you. Other things that I've seen as successful I mean, some of my very best friends that actually have been on my own podcast, I met through LinkedIn, or I saw their posts that I was like, huh, this person's interesting. Let me just send a connection request and just say like, Hey, I like this post. So when people argue and say like this LinkedIn isn't Facebook, you [00:10:00] know, keep your stuff to yourself. It's your own personal branding platform. And it's just as relevant as TikTok and Facebook and Instagram, or, you know, pick your social media vice there. It's a part of who you are. Lori: Right. And some of the people that are most authentic are the ones that are most appealing to me. Angela: yeah. Well, there's something so interesting. Yes. Find your tribe right. Right. Well, and someone had said, and I love that you brought this up Lori of, oh, this whole thing about being authentic. And my friend, Nick, who I actually met off LinkedIn, we always laugh. And we say, oh, people preach about being authentic. It's like, well, you're either authentic or you're not like all these people, like I'm an authentic leader. I am this. And I am you know, the professional words speak there, but that's what Lori, when you're posting, like your views on things like that's you being your authentic self and that's where people come to you Lori: you. Absolutely. Molly, I'm gonna just pull you back in here. How do you feel about being told to be your most [00:11:00] authentic self on social media and business? Molly: Honestly it feels kind of like culture shock. Um, because, so my background is in journalism. I graduated my journalism degree last year, and pretty much everything we're told in journalism school is do not share your views. You will not get hired. And that's more of a conversation to be had about journalism and that industry in general, but. even beyond my professors, we really weren't told anything about being our, like, truly authentic self, if we want to find a job. And I just think it's really interesting the way that it's really shifted even in the last few years Lori: years. Yeah. So what I find interesting is you're from a journalism background. That is absolutely correct. Mm-hmm , if you're a news person, you cannot have an opinion. [00:12:00] However, in marketing. You have to differentiate and that's a way of differentiating. So Molly is in the school of, uh, hard knocks for marketing by joining our firm. Her copywriting, her writing skills were just so impressive that I knew I could teach her anything else she needed to learn. That journalism and that writing background was going to serve you. So the other thing that we have in our outline here is that don't be afraid to actually move outside of your major for your career choices to use those skills in other careers, other areas. So if you thought journalism was, you know, you were going to go work for a newspaper, but your writing gets you into PR or advertising or marketing, you know, open your viewfinder, I guess a little bit to see outside of your major. Um, and I think most [00:13:00] colleges, I hope would inform you that you should do that, but I would give it a little extra emphasis. So, Angela, um, how would you recommend that? A somebody who's using LinkedIn and networking, how do they stay focused on the future and use LinkedIn when they are just banging their head against the wall? They feel like they're, you know, they're out there, they've connected to everybody they know and nothing's happening. Angela: I always say, just talk to people. I mean, this is my bread and butter of career coaching and writing resumes and helping people with careers, not to, I'm gonna selfishly give myself a plug here, but talk to people that are industry leaders or talk to a former recruiter or hiring manager, small business owner doesn't matter. They can tell you, Hey, your experience is great here. I mean, I love, absolutely love, love, love when people message me and ask me to be like, Hey, I'm a recent grad. I went through. I really like what you have to [00:14:00] say. I know you're busy, but you know, can you take a look at this? And that's like them shooting their shot there. Right? So. I've forgotten where I learned this concept. I think it was at some communications conference a few years ago, and the presenter there, she's a communications expert, you know, university professor, very high standings. And she brought up this concept of people having to understand your message after seven or eight times, meaning, okay, Molly, I'm just gonna use you for an example. Like Molly's a recent grad, Molly's looking for opportunities, Angela. As a resume writer, Angela is a career coach. So people have to understand who you are seven or eight times, meaning they need to see it seven or eight times. So if you're a recent grad and you're just like putting yourself out there, you're messaging people. Back to basics, start posting. I mean,, one of my clients I have right now. She does awesome on TikTok and other platforms, but she does nothing with LinkedIn. I'm talking like a hundred thousand followers on other platforms. But [00:15:00] she's like, well, I love LinkedIn. I just feel like I can't be myself or I shouldn't post about, 'em like, No be yourself like post, about how, who you are outside of work. I mean, my post today is about the concert I went to with my two business friends I met from my, um, other networking groups. I'm in like, that's what you need to be. And that's where people relate to you outside of work. So absolutely me as a prospective employer, a former recruiter, I would always look at people's activity. So I would say, who are you outside of the resume outside of LinkedIn? The number one qualifier for me, which is not in the job description, is you have to have a sense of humor, love sarcasm. I love someone that's, you know, goes with the flow in a sense, because in Lori and Molly, you both can relate to this working for a small business. Everything changes like in an hour, something. Shit can hit the fan for lack of a better term, and you'll have to like transition roles or move things around. But yeah, you have to have someone that's willing to do that. So, yep. Back to my [00:16:00] long-winded point. Um, but through someone's activity on LinkedIn or whoever they are, I'm getting to know them outside of it and they should absolutely be using that Lori: too. Absolutely. I love that. I do that same kind of thing. Like I'll go look at somebody's activity and see what they're, what they're talking about. Or if they're engaging with other people. Yes. Because you want to be on the channel, but you also wanna be commenting on things, not lurking, not just liking, but actually contributing to the conversation on other people's content, because it does a couple of things. It gives them love because it makes their post appear higher up in the algorithm. LinkedIn loves comments more than they do likes. So commenting on someone's someone's LinkedIn post is a form of love. And then the other thing is it helps them get to know who you are. What question would you ask? What thoughts did you share? Do you have something to [00:17:00] add that moves the conversation in that post forward that allows people to see who you are a little. Get to know you a little bit. Um, let's see, what else do we have here? If you meet somebody, this is the best thing too. I think it's an always on networking event. If you meet someone out in the world, pull out your phone and say, Hey, let's connect on LinkedIn. Even if they're not in your business, because you just don't know who they know. They might know somebody that could hire you tomorrow. and they see your post and your headline says looking for a job in social media and they go, Hey, I'm looking for somebody like that. So you just don't know there's, it's a numbers game. The more you're there, the more you're going to get out of it. Um, the more connections you have the better off you'll be. I think we talked a little bit about, um, on our prep call for this into six degrees of separation, which is an awesome theory. Now, where did that come from? Did we decide what book we heard that in? I can't remember, it's [00:18:00] brought up over and over again. Angela: Well, there was, I think the concept where I don't know if this is where it started, but it was like, Oh, my gosh, I'm gonna butcher it, but it essentially was like, you can relate six people to Kevin bacon or like whatever movie can relate back to Kevin bacon in the world or something like that. Everybody knows Kevin bacon. Yeah. something like that. But it's so true. Like I, which is, I'm probably really obnoxious with this, but I've met people sitting at airports. I've met people at bars. I've met people on vacation. I mean, Just that connection there. And again, going back to what we talked about earlier of people, seeing your message and understanding it, those people have turned into clients. I I'll never forget. I had, I think I was in Seattle at the time, but my flight got delayed. I love making friends everywhere. I'm probably the one you'd hate to sit next to on a plane, most normal people, but got to talking with this guy who happened to be there for a job interview. And he's like, oh, no way. Like, can you review my resume? I have it right here. I'm like, sure. Why not? And he [00:19:00] actually still refers me business. Like this was probably four or five years ago, but that's awesome. It's just like, you don't know who you're sitting next to. I mean, I do not look professional when I fly, cuz I like to be comfy, but you never know if you're next to a CEO. You never know if you're next to someone that can like, ultimately change your life or launch your business or get you a job. And that's what I always say, like, be nice to people, have open conversations and just connect with them. Like it's as simple as that Lori: And what happens on LinkedIn is it lets you come back to them later, where if you've got a business card were you gonna call or email 'em oh, come on. Nobody does that anymore. Angela: No, It gets lost. Lori: at the bottom. Yeah. Or it's tucked in your pocket and in the garbage, you know, so if you connect to 'em on LinkedIn, you can go back and see. On your list of recent connections, maybe you just remember the guy's name is Mike, go back to your list of recent connections and there you go. You've got 'em and you can say, Hey, great to meet you. Here's what I'm doing. If I can ever help you, what do you do if I can, in case I can ever help you. So it gives [00:20:00] you, you know, an opportunity to take that just a little bit further. I wanna dig back into the six degrees of separation again, because I just think it's so fascinating that, um, This is from the 1960s, there was a guy Stanley Milgram, an American psychologist who had an experiment. It was actually based on the obedience to authority, which I think is interesting, that on average, any two individuals in the world are separated by five connections, which is commonly known as the six degrees of separation theory. There was an author that tested that theory and they gave somebody something like this portfolio of materials and I need you, I need it to go to, let's say Kevin bacon, let's just use his name because, and that person gives it to the next person. Who's a little bit closer to Kevin who gives it to the next person who gives it to the next person. And in this book, The material that was originally given, went, reached that final [00:21:00] person within six people. And they say, you can do that anywhere. I could give something to Molly and say, Molly, I want this to go to Jane Fonda and Molly go, okay, who do I know in California or wherever she lives and you just keep moving it along, you know? And that is the interesting thing about the referral business about referrals for jobs. Um, if you make sure when you're working on your social media that you are engaging and you're commenting on anything that you find interesting, and you have a headline that says what you do, you will get results. I'm so confident in saying that. And Angela, I think you're probably with me. Angela: Oh, absolutely. No. And it's you attract the right people you want, or like you talked about your tribe, so here's a fun, I know I'm full of stories today, but here's like, go for it. A great why we are talking on this podcast and how we met. I think this was probably five, six years ago. I was on a corn hole league. In [00:22:00] Michigan in, uh, where was, I think it was in Berkeley. Lori: Do they play that all over the place or is that just the Michigan thing? Angela: They do. No, they, they call it bags in other states or corn hall. Yeah. But it is the universal right. throw bags at each other. That's it. But. These two guys are at the bar talking about white claw, and that's when white claw was like the biggest newest, greatest seltzer out there. And I interject myself in their conversation. We're sweaty playing like cornhole, cause it's a hundred degrees in the middle of August, you know, in Michigan. And we get to talking and it ends up that the guy I was talking to like leads a networking group and I would resume rescue is my side business. It was not full-time yet. So he is like, oh, you should come. Okay. So I go and I end up joining and then I meet someone there that introduces me to the Royal Oak chamber. So then I join the Royal Oak chamber and then I meet Kylie and Kylie and I hit it off really well. And then Kylie introduces me to both of you, but it's just so funny that like, That one interaction of just something as stupid as white claw [00:23:00] playing bags or cornhole or whatever anyone wants to call it, like set the trajectory of me, not only like joining networking groups and expanding my reach of opportunity, but also connecting with people on LinkedIn and just saying like, hell yeah, I'll go. Why not? Like who cares? Right. But I just love to tell that story. Lori: awesome. Yeah. Cuz you end up, I mean the, the more people you know and have connected positive relationships with in business, the more successful you will be. Period. There's no doubt in my mind. And we have a tool that we can use, you know, every single day to present an image of yourself as authentically as possible. You do want to present your best self . Right. We don't wanna be, you know, let it all hang out. You know, there are some things, there are some limits that you should, should include. Uh, but you know, talk about your job, talk about what you do. Talk about your hobbies, um, consider that you may get seen by [00:24:00] recruiters. There, there may be recruiters that are connected to that person. I'm connected to so many different recruiters. So if you're on a post of mine, you don't know who might see it, that might hire you. The other piece of advice I give people, and this is, um, from. Inspired by Brenda Miller. I dunno if you know Brenda Miller. Yes. If you don't know Brenda Miller and you're listening right down, Brenda, it's not Miller it's Miller, M E L L E R. She is an amazing LinkedIn trainer and she has just so much course material and she does, I believe a weekly job hunters live on LinkedIn. So look up Brenda Miller, see what she's up to, follow her, read her stuff, take her courses. Um, and she can tell you about why or you'll find content on her channels basically about why you should never talk negatively about your job on social channels. And one of the reasons you don't do that [00:25:00] is because it just makes you look bad. Um, you can't explain the details of it. Um, you can't, if you make a snarky comment about your boss, you don't know that somebody on that thread doesn't know your boss. Brenda's hilarious because she has a lot of job referrals because she knows so many people and she says, please let me know if you're interested in hearing more about this job, but not if you complain about your job or your boss on LinkedIn, , she's very clear about it because it does really impact how people see you, you make one negative comment, then they can assume that you're kind of a negative Nancy, you know, negative Norman. Um, just based on that one thing. So are any other pieces of advice you'd like to give our audience here today? Angela? Angela: I would say, I mean, there's so many pieces we've hit on. It's just like, just do the thing you wanna do. I mean, you wanna post of course not being obnoxious, but [00:26:00] do it. If you have a passion, if you're a recent grad and you're like, oh my God, I got this degree and I don't wanna do anything with it. That's okay. Most people end up changing their career paths anyways, but mm-hmm if you're a mom returning to the workforce or a dad or a parent of whoever. Just shoot your shot with anything. I mean, apply to the damn job. Start the podcast, do what you wanna do because you're already telling yourself no, you might as well start somewhere. I, again, I never would've thought I would be telling people how to brand themselves on LinkedIn, let alone doing a whole podcast episode on it with you two lovely ladies on this as well, but it's just like, you wanna do these things and you just need to do them stop being your own worst enemy. Get out of your own head. Do the damn thing, Lori: do the damn thing. That's the best piece of advice Angela: I should have asked if we could swear on this podcast, but I've sworn the whole podcast, but it's all good. Lori: Maybe we'll rename it. Do the damn thing on LinkedIn. Maybe that'll be our title, but I a hundred percent agree [00:27:00] that there's a, there is a, um, a hesitancy, especially as a young person that can get on your way. Do you feel that Molly. Molly: Absolutely. I do. I always feel like I get in my own way, especially on LinkedIn, just cuz I am so guilty of only ever liking or like reacting to people's posts and not commenting or posting myself just cuz I always like I don't know. I get uncomfortable doing it. Lori: You second guess Angela: nobody's gonna care. Lori: Absolutely. Yep. it's not that deep. Right. That's the thing that's so interesting is the mantra in our heads should be, it's not that deep. Mm-hmm, nobody really cares. Um, nobody really cares about what you're doing, because they're so worried about what they're doing. We're all looking at our own belly buttons going, oh my gosh, are we doing it right when in reality, you know, Nobody really knows. There's one of my favorite songs from one of my favorite artists. Bob Schneider [00:28:00] is making it up. We are all making it up as we go. And anyone who says that they're not is lying because we, you have training, you have experience, but day to day, you are making it up. And so is everyone else. Even the ones that think they know, you know, think or present themselves as knowing everything, you just have to have the confidence or pretend that you have the confidence and do it anyway, in spite of the discomfort. Right. Type it up. Look at it a couple times, hit that button, hit that post button and let it go. And that's how you start getting more comfortable. It's just by doing it. Right. Angela, you just do it. Absolutely. And realize that you're not alone in those feelings of, oh my God. Imposter syndrome. Oh, Angela: I would. I mean, why I'm even here and started this own business? I had it as my side business. I never, I never would've done this ever. I got fired from my job. It's not a glamorous, beautiful story. [00:29:00] I got fired from my job. And that's what was like, all right, sweetheart, you're either gonna sink or swim. Let's try it out. I worked every odd job to make this happen and. It's not a pretty story. It's a Cinderella story almost of just like quite literally scrubbing toilets and doing like the grossest, not great jobs to just skate by. But if I would've never gotten fired, I'm thankful for it today, but it's just, I was in my own head. I had it for three years. I never would've done it. I was like, well, it's a good idea. Help friends and family and nights and weekends, whatever, but I never would've done it. Right. And it. It. And that's the only regret. I, I, I won't say regret, but that's the only thing I wish I would've done sooner is just had more confidence in myself to just do it. That's why, right. I'm very much about do the damn thing cuz you're your own worst enemy for no reason. Lori: Yeah, I get that. Well, actually my, our, our origin story starts in a similar fashion. Um, Popspeed Digital, our agency, started when I lost my job. [00:30:00] and it's just one of those things that sometimes the universe knows what you need more than you do and boots your butt out of the environment that you're comfortable in, in an effort to push you to do what you're fully capable of and live your dreams. Right. Mm-hmm so, okay. Angela, we always like to wrap up with a crazy story. I love it. If it's something really unexpected and sometimes it's just a normal thing, so feel free to whatever, whatever feels good for you. Angela: I will say what really started off the business to be crazy was I was still working like other jobs. I had just been newly fired. So I actually got home from Italy. Beautiful two week vacation. I got fired on Monday within being in an office a half hour, got fired for lack of productivity. That was the reason I got fired, which you know, I was on vacation enjoying my time for two weeks. How dare I? So it was the three, three month anniversary of me getting fired. So I got fired [00:31:00] September 16th, 2019 and December 16th, 2019, I said to my boyfriend at the time and my mother, I said, I think I should do a post about how people should not like work nights and weekends and just, you know, it's around Christmas time people are feeling good. Like, let's just see. And I was, that was the first time I really put it out there that I was fired and I was devastated. I was so embarrassed. I was just like, you shouldn't do this Angela. And they both said, no, I think you should do it. Like, try it. So I crafted this post. I had them both read it. I said, is this too aggressive? And essentially the post had said, when you're missing time with your friends and family during the holidays, when you're not tucking your kids into bed at night, and you're just all work, work, work. Just remember you get other opportunities. You can always make more money, but you can't get time back. And I had just like dabbled with LinkedIn. I, I think I had less than a thousand connections. I think I was probably around the 500 connections mark. Nothing crazy. [00:32:00] And that post went viral. Like it was viral for me. So it had 2000 engagements, hundreds of comments. Wow. People sharing my inbox, blowing up with people, wanting to work with me. And that's, that was after that post was at that point when I could quit my other jobs cuz we were so busy. That's why I always preach, like, shoot your shot because had I not done that post, I probably wouldn't have been as far along in business or understood the, understand the value of social media and especially that, but that's always like my favorite PO my favorite story to tell, cuz it took a lot. I mean there were days where I didn't wanna post, I didn't wanna put myself out there and I was like, maybe I should just get another corporate job. But yeah, that's one of my favorite. Business stories of how that ended up working out Lori: there. Love it. Love it. Love it. Well, Angela and Molly, I know that I usually wrap up with a, um, note on how people can connect with you. Molly Wagner, are you [00:33:00] an open networker on LinkedIn? Molly: I should be so you can find me at just Molly Wagner on LinkedIn and then Angela, where can they find you? Angela: Ooh, you can find us on LinkedIn, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, all the resume rescue. Yes. My last name is obnoxious being Angela BCI Lato so we can put links to there. Um, and if you are interested in scheduling free consultation, all of our links are all over the place too. Or if you listen to this podcast and how you found me great. Send me a message. My inbox is open on LinkedIn and all social media. So always looking to meet interesting. Lori: Great. Thank you, Angela. Thank you, Molly. Always good to have thoughtful guests on and thank you, listener for joining us. We would love to hear from you on our website at work. Mom says.com. We have a contact form there. Tell me who you'd like to have us invite on as guests. If there are questions you'd like answered [00:34:00] or topics you'd like us to cover, visit workmomsays.com. Thanks again for joining. Angela: Thank you. Molly: Thank you.